Big Natural Boob Sponsor NOT paying

[Boxter]

I have been promoting a big natural boob sponsor and during a few months made just over $1000 bucks with them. This was in February, March and April.

I have not been paid for these earnings. I didn't think much of it, so I contacted the owner. He told me to wait, the check was in the mail. Time passed by, nothing happened. So I contacted him again and again. I've probably sent over 20 emails. About 25% of them were replied to, the other ignored. I have been told to wait a little longer, because the checks were sent out. Then I got an email saying the check was re-sent.

It's september now and I didn't get shit. So I believe it's save to say that this sponsor is cheating and not paying his affiliates.

If you want the sponsor's name, PM me for the name. I'm not going to post the name here, but I do feel I have to warn others.

[Ramster]

I do a lot of boobs stuff so I'd like to know who it is. PM sent

[Greenie]

How are you going to warn other if you don't post the sponsors name.

If you're gonna bitch in public, do it right - post who it is :)

[Boxter]

Others can be warned, if they PM me they'll get the name.

BTW, my inbox was full (OOPS), but I deleted some messages so you should be able to PM me again.

[Linkster]

If anyone else gets the name please post it since this person doesnt seem to have the balls to post it here - if a sponsor is cheating or not paying - after you have had no success with emails/contacts - its important not to play games

[Ramster]

BoobDollars

I've had issues with them too, payments came but late and not the right amounts. No response to my email on it. Fuck it.

I know Greenguy doesn't like them anyway.

[jennym]

It is awfully suspicious at this point. My first thought is to believe that maybe there was a reason to your not being paid. Are you afraid the sponsor will publicly defend itself, and the outcome will not be so good for you? I understand that some are hesitant to out sponsors too quickly, but this has been going on since Feb. This only looks "weird" on you at this point. (hey! where the hell is the 2 cents smiley? I thought there was one)

Edit: oh well, Ramster posted while I was typing.

[Greenie]

Ramster - actually, I did end up getting an account with them after all - LOL

I have a whopping $60.18 in there - I'll change the min payout to $50 & well see what happens :D

[DangerDave]

I dropped BoobDollars more than 12 mths ago now...

Never saw any $$ from them.. and I had the most shocking ratios 0:5000 - pure SE

Their appaling re-use of old content doesnt help :(

Not a sponsor I would recommend...

DD

[Surfn]

Interesting...time to pull some links |escape|

[Ramster]

Originally posted by Surfn
Interesting...time to pull some links |escape|

How's your ratio with them? Mine is terrible.

[Surfn]

Mine was terrible too |sad|

[Greenie]

I just looked at my stats again - 12 signups, of which 2 recurred - LOL

1:365 isn't bad for a conversion rate, but Busty Amateurs it ain't :(

[Alphawolf]

This is why I'm glad I read the boards.

If a sponsor owed my over $1k, I'd fly to wherever they were to visit. Well, maube- maybe not- 'pends where they lived. :)

I'd also dump someone pretty qucik if they missed more than 1 payment.

There are just *too* many sponsors out there to fuck around.

I wonder how many webmasters this scumbag has ripped off.

Does seem to be a nice portfolio of sites- at al glace. Too bad. |lightsabe

[Boxter]

The reason I didn't post the name here is one of courtesy. Maybe I look suspicious now, although I wouldn't know why, but I found it a polite way of letting you guys know something is very wrong with this sponsor program...

Yes the sponsor I'm heaving problems with is Boob Dollars. No payments, no replies.

So, now we all know. :-)

[Boxter]

Originally posted by Alphawolf
Well, maube- maybe not- 'pends where they lived.


Far, far away...

[Alphawolf]

Originally posted by Boxter
Far, far away...

http://www.whois.sc/boobdollars.com

No biggie. And it would be a tax write off since it's a business expense. ;)

[Trev]

well they seemed to be having a lot of problems at one point... i got the emails about it but never really read them.... We're not currently using BD for anything.

I'll look and see if I still have the emails for those that didn't get them.

[Trev]

the ones i could find....

7-29

Hi,

BoobDollars had a major database file deleted
about 12 hours ago, we have spent 12+ hours
working on recovering the lost information.
( It appears to be malicious, hacker attempt )

THIS DID RESULT IN SOME LOSS OF DATA.

Currently, we are importing ALL stats from
Epoch and CCBill which has all the same info
as we have, it will likely take a day or so
to completely import all lost data.

Don't be alarmed, we are working on it
as I type this message to you.

We are importing Webmaster stats, we do have an
important REQUIREMENT for ANY WEBMASTER WHO'S
ACCOUNT # is between 102664 - 103300( through now )

( accounts before 102664 are not required to
reconfirm their account with us)



7-30

Hi,

Things are moving along nicely, we are nearly done
importing stats, rebills and all required information.

You may notice some changes, if you see
anything that seems odd or out of place, please be
sure to contact me asap.

STATS ARE BEING TRACKED BY EPOCH & CCBILL WITH NO PROBLEMS>

If you have any account between 102664 - 103300( through now )
make sure you RECONFIRM your account if you have not already done so.
This will insure that your sales are working fine.

( accounts before 102664 are not required to
reconfirm their account with us)

******************************************************
Please reconfirm your account here:
http://boobdollars.com/wmreg/resignup.php
******************************************************
( if you don't reconfirm, you may loose sales/tracking )
**THIS DOES NOT AFFECT EVERYONE, Only account 102664 - 103000**


Sorry for any troubles that this
may have caused.


the only two I can find... only thing newer I could find is their annoucement about V.2 and their moving to the NATS affilate software

[Greenie]

OH Fuck! Now I remember all this stuff, because I had to sign up again.

Again, anyone know the name on the checks? I may have to look up some stuff in my records.

[Ramster]

The checks are CyberMedia or something like that.

[Greenie]

Hmmmm...I looked at all the "Cyber..." checks that I've gotten & none seems to be from them :(

Maybe I'll shoot off an email..... :)

[metalkid]

Originally posted by Alphawolf
http://www.whois.sc/boobdollars.com

No biggie. And it would be a tax write off since it's a business expense. ;)
His domain expires in 2 weeks...maybe he forget to re-new! |pirate

[Ramster]

Cyber World Media I think it is. That's sounds more like.

[Greenie]

Originally posted by Ramster
Cyber World Media I think it is. That's sounds more like. Another dead end on my list :(

I did email them, so I guess we'll know for sure what to do in the next 2 or 3 days :D

[Nige]

Interesting, glad I found this thread, I was just about to signup.

[boobster]

can't belive this is still news for some people... I have to say I got checks from them (don't know if I got em all), but they suck big time.. with their big-ass announcements every week about their "new" gallys, "new" tours and crap like that, all done with same content I saw when I conected to internet for the first time...

just forget about them.. there are plenty of better sponsors out there...

p.s. greenie, checks say "Cyber World Media Inc" and they are often in a hand written envelope ;)

saL

[Stouch]

Threads like this are like a rash all over the boards Im afraid. Not a sponsor I would actively promote.

[alf]

Oh, my god...I just got 2 signups :(

Should I continue or drop them?

Can anyone recommend me some good/trusted Big Natural Boobs sponsor for me to promote?

Thanks and appreciate for your reply.

[Ramster]

Boob sponsors?

RealandNatural from ************* actually converts decently even though I personally do not like the tour all that much.
Busty.pl isn't the best converter but it is retaining nicely so I'd recommend it.
Rachel Aziani convert goods from twistedcash.com
ScoreLand from Score-Cash.com is decent for me though I do not send them much traffic.

[alf]

Thanks you Ramster for pointing me those big boobs sponsors. I am going to check them out now...

Good Day

|shake|

[Boxter]

Originally posted by alf
Oh, my god...I just got 2 signups :(


I'd say drop them. But make sure you get paid for those 2 signups!

I think this guy waits until you make some more money and then starts to screw you...

[Boxter]

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?threadid=402924&s=

Guess there are still people that just want to trust Joel...

[Greenie]

You know - I completely forgot about this thread.

I did email Joel with this (these were all from early Oct)

***
You might want to reply to this thread:

http://www.greenguyandjim.com/board/showthread.php?s=&threadid=11392

I emailed it to you awhile ago, but never heard back.

Greenguy
***

He replied with this:
***
Mark,

Hmmm, must have missed it.

We confused some people with our company name, I do know
that I have written checks to you in the past.

I remember you from my days with the late and great
Busty Amateurs.com

If you missing something, I am sure we can find it.

Joel
***

I replied back:
***
Did you read the whole thread?

Greenguy
***

He replied back:
***
Yeah, I just read page 2.

Honestly, I really have no clue what they are talking about let alone who they are from the thread.

What I can say is, yes.. we had some tech. issues and shitty conversions from MPA2 thats why we finally dropped them and moved to NATS.

We kick ass, we produce new content every week ourselves and we update fresh new members area content 5 times per week.

We had so much fraud with PPS that we dropped it in April 2004 and we are having much better luck now.

We have several thousand webmasters promoting and we do get a few check problems from time to time.

If you have any more questions, let me know!

You can always contact the guys and Lana's Big Boobs or Michael
at Chubbyland, they have been promoting for a long time now.

Thanks,

Joel
***

I of course told him to not tell me & to come here & post, but I guess he never did :(

FYI :D

[amadman]

lol... I am sure he does remember you from Busty Amateurs. :)

Sounds like he is interested in getting your traffic but does not care what everybody else here thinks about his program.|sad|

[Greenie]

Ya know...he never did tell me what the name on the checks was - LOL

Oh well - I pulled all those links a long time ago :D

[BoobDollars]

A Thread about us, I am not sure if I should be happy or sad.

Anyways,

Let's clear the air a bit.

I am not going to deny that we had alot of problems
with MPA2 and our transistion from MPA2 to NATS.

We lost webmasters, sales, clicks and alot more!

We recovered alot of it with the help of NATS
and EPOCH along with MPA2 staff.

We had several employee changes that also
caused us some problems.

If you feel or think you are owed money, email me
and I will make sure your paid.

In fact, I will pay you 100% of your sales for 30 days
as a way of saying sorry if you decide to promote after
we pay you.

Our minimum payout for a check is $100.00 , many complaints
come from webmasters that are well below the min. payouts
we have set.

Our checks are Cyber World Media.

If you have any questions, email me at WEBMASTER @ BOOBDOLLARS.com


Thanks,

[BoobDollars]

Hi,

I finally decided to stop by, I am glad that I did.

I found a lot out about what some of you thought or think.

First,

Let's start by blaming me for the check and accounting issues
that a few of your have incurred.

As a site owner, the blame rests on my shoulders regardless
of which employee that I have who I rely on to help you
with issues when presented.

Second,

Let's pass some blame on to our software that had plagued
us with countless problems.

We suffered some MAJOR blows when our database
was hacked and deleted while we used MPA2. We lost
sales, clicks and records for many months. We lost
about 1000 webmasters completely. We have spent
6 months trying to resolve those problems.

Currently, we use NATS, we have had little problems and
we are very pleased since we moved to them.

Next,

It seems that some of you may be owed money,

If you think or know that we still owe you money then
you need to contact me directly. I understand some of you
already did that, I need you to do it once again so that
I can make extra sure that I don't loose your email.


Finally,

Let me offer to you, a 100% payout for 30 days, regardless
of who you are!

If we owe you money, we will pay you!!

Feel free to contact me at webmaster AT boobdollars.com


Thanks,

Joel

[Boxter]

Seems that Joel is trying to do some damage control here|crazy|

Anyway, all webmasters that have used Boob Dollars already know it's no good. And all of you who are still thinking about joining them:

GO AHEAD! After all: it's your money, but don't forget you have been warned.

[Greenie]

Originally posted by BoobDollars
Our minimum payout for a check is $100.00 , many complaints
come from webmasters that are well below the min. payouts
we have set.

Our checks are Cyber World Media. I have never gotten a check from Cyber World Media & I show making $130.80 so far this year.

Last sale/rebill was Nov 12 for $14.97 - before that was Oct 26 for $17.97 - so I've had over $100 in there since Oct 26 :(

[Greenie]

Today I got a hand written check dated 12-29 for $50.28 from Cyber World Media, which is $80.52 short of what I'm owed :(

[Trev]

Originally posted by Greenguy
Today I got a hand written check dated 12-29 for $50.28 from Cyber World Media, which is $80.52 short of what I'm owed :(

dyslexia??? |couch|

[Ramster]

Originally posted by Greenguy
Today I got a hand written check dated 12-29 for $50.28 from Cyber World Media, which is $80.52 short of what I'm owed :(

I'm owed about $100 or so from checks not adding up to what my stats show. IT was about 2-3 checks that were all short a bit each time. I emailed Joel about it to and never heard back.

It's only a bit of money so I just said fuck it. :(

[Greenie]

Originally posted by Trev
dyslexia??? |couch| I didn't even catch that - LOL

I guess the check I got is better than one for $02.58 :D

[natalie]

I just got an email from Joel:

"We noticed that you signed up for www.boobdollars.com
but you hadn't started sending traffic ?

What would it take for us to get you to
send traffic ?

Free DVD *Naturally Busty Vol.#1* ?
Free "I LOVE BOOBS" T-Shirt ?

70% on initial sales ?

I would like to get you to send some sales, we have
sites that our converting better then 1:175!!"

My reply:
This is why:
http://www.greenguyandjim.com/board/showthread.php?t=11392&page=2&pp=25 .
I am visiting your site to see where I close my account, or could you just do
it please. There are so many sponsors around that I don't feel the need to
be worried about my money.


Lol and when I went to the site to close it there were no images and it couldn't get past the login. I think there are lessons here for every sponsor. ;)

Hmm and now this: ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ---- I guess I wasn't supposed to reply and say I wanted the shirt :D

[CrazySy]

LOL, I have been getting the same emails for a while. I joined them a long time ago, made a single gallery and then I started hearing some stories from other webmasters so I decided to move on and not to bother promoting them.

[BlueQuartz]

joel your program is a joke mate

theres lots of great ones around - time you gave up and moved on - the biz doesnt need guys like you - you admitted just about every aspect of your program is shit then you suggest we give you a try LOL - fuck its even greenguys board and you havent paid him either. I too am owed money but its not worth the time anymore - Im sick of getting my emails ignored as you can see everyone else is

AND you spam webmasters with crap about tshirts and tell them to reply to a mailserver thats down - shit man the word circus comes to mind


use boobdollars and dont get paid - simple

[Greenie]

I got this in the mail this morning & it made me giggle a bit :)

*******
Hey there Mark,


I wanted to let you know that we now allow
webmasters to promote our best 4 converting sites
using EPOCH/PAYCOM tracking, stats and payouts.


What this means:


*Weekly Payouts by Epoch/Paycom
*Tracking & Stats Daily via Epoch/Paycom


This allows you to promote our sites and get paid
directly via our credit processor. No 3rd party stats/billing.


IF YOU NEED CUSTOM HOSTED GALLERIES, EMAIL US AND WE WILL MAKE
YOU YOUR OWN CUSTOM HOSTED GALLERIES.


We realize that many of you prefer not to be paid using
3rd party software. We want to offer you a new option.


ALL WEBMASTERS WISHING TO USE Epoch/Paycom will be given
70% On All Sales and Rebills, forever!!


( EPOCH SIGNUP/STATS AREA & LINKING CODE AREA )
http://new.boobdollars.com/epoch/



Thanks,


Joel Raes
www.BoobDollars.com
*******

[DangerDave]

Ditto :(

[Ramster]

It must be pretty bad when another sponsor converts so much better than your SE and typein traffic that you have to redirect that traffic to them.

http://www.wantboobs.com/ :(

[DangerDave]

and they are still sendin out their weekly encouragement for us to ignore..

Recieved yesterday..
-----------------------------------
We just released 50 new hosted galleries
for our site WantBoobs and Busty Amateur Video

Hosted Galleries offer 20 images and 1 video clip.

Visit www.BoobDollars.com
AD TOOLS / Wantboobs & Busty Amateur Video / PICS
newest galleries listed by most recent date.


Your login is: xxxx
Your password is: xxxx

We also sent checks on 2/12 for
1/16 to 1/31 for your records.

If you need anything, let us know!

Thanks,

Joel Raes
www.BoobDollars.com
-----------------------------------

it's sad really..:(

DD