Pope says Gay marriage is 'evil'

[Cleo]

IMO the Pope and religion in general is evil.
http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe/02/23/pope.book.reut/index.html
Personally I'm hoping that the Pope will hurry up and drop dead.

[Kinky]

my motto is "religion is the root of ALL evil"

[MadMax]

"It's OK for our priests to molest little boys, and we'll go to great lengths to protect them when they do, but adult men having sex with other adult men is EVIL." |angry|

When I see shit like this I like to remember the Pope (Pius IX or something) from about a thousand years ago who was beaten to death in the street by the enraged husband of a woman he was banging. Kinda sums up the hipocrisy of Catholicism all in one go.

[Useless Warrior]

I wish I could remember who said, 'I was raised Catholic. That's why I don't believe in God.'

[Greenie]

|satan| likes cock - ok by me.

|buddy| says fuck whoever wants to be fucked by you & live in |peace|

[SirMoby]

I wonder how he'd feel if Sponge Bob Square Pants married Mickey Mouse.

[ecchi]

Cleo, I'm curious. On several threads you have expressed a desire for the Pope's speedy demise. What makes you think that the next one will will be any different ?

[Cleo]

I have absolutely no hope, or actually could care at all, that the next pope will be any less of a backwards superstitious leader of their religious cult.

I just hope the next one has better health so I don't have to constantly hear about when the pope's last poop was and what his emotional state was at the time of his poop or food intake was.

Basically I could care less if he lives or dies I'm just sick of hearing about it.

[artwilliams]

What amazes me is that the Pope says something AND the media reports. Here in Toronto Christians are a minority, let alone Catholics. I don't hear the hear of the Greek Orthodoxs or some Muslim group on the news at the top of the hour. Guess JP2 has a good press agent!! LOL

... Art

[Fonz]

And he's back in the hospital....

I think his candle is almost blown out...

[Kinky]

And he's back in the hospital....

I think his candle is almost blown out...
let us all pray... oh wait that would be silly

[Mishi]

I have absolutely no hope, or actually could care at all, that the next pope will be any less of a backwards superstitious leader of their religious cult.

I just hope the next one has better health so I don't have to constantly hear about when the pope's last poop was and what his emotional state was at the time of his poop or food intake was.

Basically I could care less if he lives or dies I'm just sick of hearing about it.

This is why I get all my news from Jon Stewart.

[Kinky]

What amazes me is that the Pope says something AND the media reports. Here in Toronto Christians are a minority, let alone Catholics. I don't hear the hear of the Greek Orthodoxs or some Muslim group on the news at the top of the hour. Guess JP2 has a good press agent!! LOL

... Art

what's even funnier is that the news stations are giving "live pictures" of the side of the builing at the hospital where he is, just the side of a building with some dirty windows, nothing else...

[docholly]

what's even funnier is that the news stations are giving "live pictures" of the side of the builing at the hospital where he is, just the side of a building with some dirty windows, nothing else...


To you and I, it's just specks of dirt, but to true believers they form a picture of the blessed virgin.

[Cleo]

Damn I just turned on the TV and the pope is all over it.

Hello, I could care less what is up with the pope and his poop. This isn't news unless they also want to start reporting all the other so called religious leader's daily poop reports.

Damn, hurry up and die so that I don't have to listen to this crap any more.

[Greenie]

He'll die & his last public comments are "Gay marriage is evil" - you watch - that'll be spun on the news so that he said it with his dying breath :D

[Sarah_MaxCash]

what anyone that can never even have a straight marriage knows about it beats me.

[DeniseAWC]

Over the millennia (big word huh) untold thousands, if not millions have been slaughtered in the name of god, which curiously never comes directly from his mouth, but from the mouth of just another mortal.

Let's get back to basics and start worshiping trees, nature, the sky, the sun and such. Truely, if there is/was a god, then these are the tings we should hold dear to us, not child-molesting wankers who have made a career decision to be a 'holy man' (or woman or whatever)

It's no wonder he makes such stupid statements though, me must realise that he, and those that will surely follow him has increasingly little relevance to us.

I say let him show his worth and value. Let the Pope start healing the planet, cleansing the toxic pollutants in our seas reivers and oceans, sort out the ozone problem and our reliance on fossil fuels. Then he can move onto 3rd world debt, disease, famine and so on.

Once he's done that he will have earned the right to share his opinion and have it listened to, until then, while he continues to live in a Palace in his own little tax-free kingdom being carried around by shirt-lifting monkeys in a f****g chair, he should shut the f*** up and mind his own damned business.

(phew, it's good to have a rant once in a while!)

[ecchi]

RE- "Let's get back to basics and start worshiping trees, nature, the sky, the sun and such" It is religion that causes the killing etc, not who you worship. If we worshipped nature the "tree worshippers" would start to kill the "sky worshippers" and the "sun worshippers" would split into two groups with slightly different views on how to worship the sun, and start fighting each other.

[ecchi]

Oh yeah, and the news would be full of reports on the bad health of the head of the "nature worshippers" with live coverage from the bottom of the tree he is in.

[Theproofhouse]

Never read so much crap posts on a board in all of my internet life.

[Wenchy]

RE- "Let's get back to basics and start worshiping trees, nature, the sky, the sun and such" It is religion that causes the killing etc, not who you worship. If we worshipped nature the "tree worshippers" would start to kill the "sky worshippers" and the "sun worshippers" would split into two groups with slightly different views on how to worship the sun, and start fighting each other.

I'm afraid I have to disagree, ecchi... and being a pagan myself, I believe I have informed grounds on which to do so. The nice thing about being a pagan is that we only have one hard and fast rule pertaining to not doing harm to others. Beyond that, we are free to choose what/whom, when, where, and how we practice, down to writing our own customized grimoires (personal "bibles").

But the best part about practicing the Craft is tolerance... you'll never hear a true witch running down another person's religious preferences. Unlike other "religions" that don't follow the same tolerance guidelines, I just don't see wars cropping up between nature worshipping factions.

Of course that's just my 2 cents. Your mileage may vary |peace|

[ecchi]

Wow Theproofhouse, you must be new to message boards, this thread is only a baby in the "crap posts" department. I have seen plenty of threads a lot worse than this (even started a few myself).

[ecchi]

Wenchy, just having a rule ("The nice thing about being a pagan is that we only have one hard and fast rule pertaining to not doing harm to others") does not mean people will live by it. The Christians have a "Thou shall not kill" rule, it did not stop the crusades, and the Muslim religion has a similar rule which did not stop 9/11. The only way you can claim that your followers do no harm is if you have a policy of brainwashing your followers. And even then it won't stop the violence. Because even if your religion were to brainwash it's followers, that does not stop followers of a different religion from beating the shit out of your followers for worshipping trees in "the wrong way", it just makes your followers easier to kill.

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[Cleo]

Is he dead yet?

[Theproofhouse]

Wow Theproofhouse, you must be new to message boards, this thread is only a baby in the "crap posts" department. I have seen plenty of threads a lot worse than this (even started a few myself).
ecchi
No I am not new to message boards,but I beleive if someone has a view on religeon, whether they are beleivers or not, they should not insult a faith.

[ecchi]

Wenchy, just a query about Paganism. Many years back, out of interest only, I read a lot about witchcraft. In that "religion" the term "grimoires" refers to the stronger, most black spellbooks, the ones most witches won't even read, let alone use. Does the fact that Pagans use these as their "personal bibles" mean you go in for the darker stuff or have you just corrupted the use of the word grimoir ?

[DeniseAWC]

RE- "Let's get back to basics and start worshiping trees, nature, the sky, the sun and such" It is religion that causes the killing etc, not who you worship. If we worshipped nature the "tree worshippers" would start to kill the "sky worshippers" and the "sun worshippers" would split into two groups with slightly different views on how to worship the sun, and start fighting each other.

I'd only advocate becoming a 'Winchester .357 Underlever Mod 94AS' worshiper and those sun worshipers can bring it on!

lol

[ecchi]

Theproofhouse - I agree, but there is a difference between believing in "not insulting a faith" and stifling criticism of a faith. For example I am a Christian, I have spent a lot of time at church, I even used to belong to a group who went around performing religious plays to anyone who we could convince to watch them in the hopes of helping "people see the light". However I do not have a problem with any of the posts on this, or similar threads. In fact if the moderators started editing any of these posts, then I would object, even the posts they edited were posts that are very contrary to my views.

To insult someone's faith is wrong, but to stop someone expressing an opinion against another faith worse, it is fascism.

[ecchi]

Theproofhouse - Rereading my last post I just realised that the last paragraph may be seen as an inference that you are a fascist. It was not meant that way. Sorry.

[DeniseAWC]

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That's all I have to say on the subject now, we all have our opinions and this is getting far to deep.

Laters

[Cleo]

Worship my Winchester (http://www.dirtybear.com/winchester.JPG)
Nice vibrators

Guess the one that you are holding is for playing Is There A God type sex games.

[DeniseAWC]

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A moment of sanity in a crazy world - lol

[Halfdeck]

The pope is just an old guy. Take it easy on him, lol. If the media's talking 24/7 about his toilet problems, that's not the pope's fault. That's the damn media's fault and people who watch TV who makes CNN and FOX think reporting on the pope will make them more $$$$

[DeniseAWC]

Nice vibrators

Guess the one that you are holding is for playing Is There A God type sex games.

Mostly I use them when I feel a need to cry our 'Oh my god'

But I do seem to have quite a collection now!
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lol

[SirMoby]

Never read so much crap posts on a board in all of my internet life.
It does seem that there is a lot of hostility here. I've always thought that religion is a way to control the population just like politics. While it's all about power and money, many people need the service in order to make sense of their own lives, get some direction and to not become a complete danger to society. I know a lot of very religious people that without the fear of going to hell would not hesitate to rape, steal or kill.

Is The Pope doing anything different then a typical US politician? Isn't he just trying to keep his folks in power? At least he's not killing anyone at the moment.

Hostility at this level always makes me nervous and it doesn't matter if it's the religious folks feeling towards us or our feelings towards them.

And NO, I don't believe in most of what the church states but I think if they didn't fill people with fear and a little hate then those people would destroy the world very quickly so it's needed.

[Wenchy]

Wenchy, just a query about Paganism. Many years back, out of interest only, I read a lot about witchcraft. In that "religion" the term "grimoires" refers to the stronger, most black spellbooks, the ones most witches won't even read, let alone use. Does the fact that Pagans use these as their "personal bibles" mean you go in for the darker stuff or have you just corrupted the use of the word grimoir ?

A grimoire is simply a "witch's bible". I get the impression from non-pagans that it has been primarily connected with the black arts, but modern witchcraft simply views it as a book in which a practitioner keeps their spells (and not all spells are evil or designed to do harm, BTW), notes, rituals, private thoughts, etc.

Personally I haven't corrupted jack, but that's just me. |cool|

Incidentally, the "grande grimoire" I'm sure many have heard about is nothing more than a grimoire held by the head of a coven. In the old days, these books were guarded with one's life and well hidden to avoid discovery by those who labeled witchcraft "heresy" and would have killed to make it go away.

[Wenchy]

And that's the last comment I have on this topic as I have far bigger fish to fry on this chilly Thursday afternoon. So much work, so little time... |peace|

[ecchi]

Thanks

[ecchi]

Umm, I mean thanks for replying, NOT thanks for it being your last comment.

[Cliff]

I am a Catholic but I dont agree with what the Holy Father said
I think he wont be saying very much more on the subject since he is breathing through a tube now :(

[Cleo]

Is he dead yet?

No he can't be because the morning news is going on and on and on about what he ate and other endless dribble on the pope's death watch.

I hope he lives on and one in prolonged medically assisted living hell. Maybe then he will have had time to think about a individual's right to die.

And in other news Jesus remains dead…

[Kinky]

And in other news Jesus remains dead…

are you sure? he pops up in vegetables, potato chips, windows, and wooden door grain at least once a month

[Halfdeck]

Morning news is going on and on about the pope. And this thread is going on and on about the pope :)

[Kinky]

just a quick update, the news just reported that the pope ate breakfast this morning, I guess he was hungry

[Theproofhouse]

It does seem that there is a lot of hostility here. I've always thought that religion is a way to control the population just like politics. While it's all about power and money, many people need the service in order to make sense of their own lives, get some direction and to not become a complete danger to society. I know a lot of very religious people that without the fear of going to hell would not hesitate to rape, steal or kill.

Is The Pope doing anything different then a typical US politician? Isn't he just trying to keep his folks in power? At least he's not killing anyone at the moment.

Hostility at this level always makes me nervous and it doesn't matter if it's the religious folks feeling towards us or our feelings towards them.

And NO, I don't believe in most of what the church states but I think if they didn't fill people with fear and a little hate then those people would destroy the world very quickly so it's needed.

Hostile? Me?
No way
If you want to see hostile posts, then just read the whole thread.

[Useless Warrior]

Hostile? Me?
No way
If you want to see hostile posts, then just read the whole thread.
I'm pretty sure he wasn't calling you hostile. He was agreeing with you, somewhat.

The rest of us are hostile.:D

[stuveltje]

:D i realy dont care about the pope.....come one in holland all lesbian and gay can be married if they want, btw they do already a along time, who cares, if they are happy lett them marrie, and who cares what the fuck one person of the vatican said, he is not god....... i am and i say hell fuck who you want and marry (marrie i dont care about that either)who you want..... :D

[Cleo]

Is he dead yet?

[stuveltje]

Is he dead yet?
i am laughing here cleo your evil, btw why do i hear music everytime i click this thread???

[ecchi]

RE: "The rest of us are hostile" I saw no hostile threads.

[Halfdeck]

Is he dead yet?

He's having yogurt, 10 small biscuits and coffee with milk.

[Halfdeck]

i am laughing here cleo your evil

No, gay marriage is evil, remember? :D

[stuveltje]

No, gay marriage is evil, remember? :D
oh bull its normal in holland :D

[Cleo]

I think they should abide by the teachings of the pope's religion and do everything medically possible to keep him alive no matter what the cost or pain and suffering is. Let him truly experience his teachings about the right to die.

Yeah I pretty much have complete disdain for religion and especially cult leaders that teach hated.

I actually feel sorry for the old main. I can't help but feel he wasted his life in ignorance and now is going to have a miserable death. Now he can't even die in peace as he is this icon of his religion.

Is he dead yet?

[Halfdeck]

I have no interest or clue about who this pope dude is, but one thing I like about a rumor about him is when some guy put a bullet in him, the pope lay in the hospital for 3 months and then when he got better, he went to the prison where the assasin was held and sat with him and talked with him like the guy was his brother.

I may disagree about whatever the guy believes and says but that doesn't make me dislike the guy.

The old man is still breathing, so is a few million other people :)

[Cleo]

I've been shoot and almost died so I know a little about this. Talking to the person that shoots you and forgiving them lets you put closer to it and move forward in life.

I'm not saying that he is a bad person, just a misguided one. The problem is the teachings of hate that he stands for that I have a problem with. Like I said, I feel sorry for him. I also feel sorry for the person that shot me as they are rotting in a jail cell. The pope is in the cell of his faith.

[Halfdeck]

The pope is like an old type writer from another century. Nothing wrong with it and it still holds some charm but we've outgrown its uses (yep we like laptops better).

How do you judge faith looking from the outside?

It's like errrr love. It looks stupid and nuts from the outside and it obviously makes people do some dumb things.

But for the person who is feeling it, its the ride of a lifetime.

Religion can save your life or it can destroy a life, just like a gun depends on which way you hold it and when you fire the thing :D

[Useless Warrior]

Is he dead yet?
Hold on. I'll go check his pulse.

[ecchi]

RE " 'gay marriage is evil'.....oh bull its normal in holland" But Holland is evil too, you got all that sex stuff and legal marijuana. Surely with all this pornography, fornication, and imbibing in the evil weed, the Devil must live in Holland.
|dizzy| = |satan|

:D
(Oh and the first person to post something like "The devil does not live there, and don't call me Shirley" wins my "Master Of The Bloody Obvious Retort Award")

[Cleo]

Is the typewriter dead yet?

[Mishi]

The pope is like an old type writer from another century. Nothing wrong with it and it still holds some charm but we've outgrown its uses (yep we like laptops better).

How do you judge faith looking from the outside?

It's like errrr love. It looks stupid and nuts from the outside and it obviously makes people do some dumb things.

But for the person who is feeling it, its the ride of a lifetime.

Religion can save your life or it can destroy a life, just like a gun depends on which way you hold it and when you fire the thing :D


Interesting post. I think I like the way you think.

[Mr. Blue]

(Breaking my own rule about not discussing religion on forums).

Tolerance is important to me...all people need to learn tolerance...whether they're a catholic, pagan, Muslim, Jew, Hindu, atheist, or agnostic, etc. When one group of people is intolerant how do you respond? You respond with intolerance you not only feed into hate but you become a hypocrite of your own beliefs.

A few times Jesus has been mentioned in threads here and elsewhere. Let’s not get into the debate on whether he was a savior, supernatural, or the embodiment of god. Let’s actually look at his teachings and what he stood for…Tolerance of everyone…the man could be tolerant of prostitutes, sinners, and holy men. Jesus wanted a distribution of money…he didn’t want super wealthy people…he wanted people to help people and have a distribution of wealth. He was non-violent, he wouldn’t want war, and he told people to turn the other cheek.

Jesus if he were alive today wouldn’t support the catholic church, wouldn’t support the way most governments were run, he would probably be some poor philosopher as he was back in the day, preaching his message of love, tolerance, non-violence, and helping your fellow man.

Self-Education is a wonderful thing, you see things for what they are and not what someone spoon feeds you. People can go off on Jesus all they want, but they do it based on what his followers did to pervert his message, not what the man himself wanted or preached.

Jesus was the original radical and he makes most liberals today look conservative. I’m not a religious person...in fact not sure what I believe in. I don’t follow any religion but I do like his philosophical outlook…so I try to be tolerant of all people, even when they’re not tolerant of me or my beliefs.

Funny, I’m starting to sound like a hippie more and more each year, so peace, love, and tolerance…the world is a better place when you try to tolerate your fellow man even if you disagree with them.

The Pope is an old man about to die…I respect him even if I don’t agree with everything he’s done or said. A friend of mine is dying of aids…unprotected sex with multiple partners…I don’t agree with everything he did in his life, but I respect him and help him.

Respect is a two way street…don’t expect respect if you can’t give it…don’t expect tolerance if you can’t be tolerant.

Peace |peace|

[stuveltje]

:D RE " 'gay marriage is evil'.....oh bull its normal in holland" But Holland is evil too, you got all that sex stuff and legal marijuana. Surely with all this pornography, fornication, and imbibing in the evil weed, the Devil must live in Holland.
|dizzy| = |satan|


(Oh and the first person to post something like "The devil does not live there, and don't call me Shirley" wins my "Master Of The Bloody Obvious Retort Award") lol i think on this moment the Devil wearing his wooden shoes, is selling his marijuana to get some money to go to the legal hookers in utrecht and amsterdam to get a good blowjob :D

[Halfdeck]

Is the typewriter dead yet?

My point is your peace of mind shouldn't depend on a typewriter :D

[spookyx]

you guys are all gonna burn


|pokefun|

I am a christian porno producer


|pink

[Cleo]

Jesus saves
http://www.cleoslinks.com/crap/bc/buddy-christ-6.jpg

[ecchi]

RE "tolerance.....is a two way street" Yes, but too many people say this, believe it, and think they live it, but don't. For example, if you are tolerant to my view that God created the world etc. you also have to be tolerant to Cleo's view that God does not exist, and that all religion is inherently evil. Basically, although you can disagree with some of the posts on this thread (and the views are so diverse, I guess it is impossible to not disagree with some), you may even be personally offended by some, but you have to accept them as other people's views. If you feel that any one of these posts should not have been made, then you are NOT being tolerant.

[Mr. Blue]

I didn't criticize anyone's posts. I didn't criticize Cleo...I didn't criticize the people that got offended. I honestly believe people should be tolerant and I try to be tolerant to all views.

You're right no one is 100% tolerant...but it isn't such a bad ideal to strive for it. The world would be a better place if people tried to tolerate more.

As I said, I'm not religious. I don't follow any religion...I'm perfectly comfortable with letting you ecchi believe that god created everything and I'm also perfectly comfortable with letting Cleo believe there is no god. I have no hangups either way as I know you both have good reasons to believe what you believe in.

Tolerance is a two way street...People of differing views should be able to set it aside and if they can't love each other at least they can tolerate each other, not try to cause harm to the other, and maybe even try to respect each other. That was my point.

[ecchi]

Mr Blue - Sorry my post was not aimed at you, I was just using your original post to make a point that I felt a few other people should be made aware of.

[Kinky]

this thread is awesome, do we know if gay marriage is evil or not yet? I vote that we take a vote on it... :D and speak of the devil.... as I am making this post I got an update that it is a "miracle" that the pope was able to saunter over near a window this morning and almost raise his hand to wave... I know Cleo will be thriilled with the news!!!